HSV Appeal Monza result

[Mαττ]

I believe that the penalty applied to my race was too harsh under the circumstances as I feel that the punishment does not befit the crime.

The crime was that I used an incorrect performance file for the Italian Grand Prix which was not of WSRC standard. If I may cite precedent, a similar situation happened earlier this year when Tom Matthews was also found guilty of using a non-WSRC standard performance file. The penalty applied on that occasion was that of a 12 second penalty added to his final time, dropping from first to fifth.

The offence was that my checksum data relating to the 'init' and 'cc checksum' values defined by the latest gp4.exe released, did not meet the official standard.

These are the values of the race I submitted: 137a4f4e, 00000000, 6015de08, f58fc312

These are the WSRC standard values: 94a0021c, 00000000, 6015de08, 19a05e2a

I have researched the matter and have reason to believe that the problem is related only to the performance file. This was due to a back-to-back test I conducted against the race I submitted and a subsequent test evaluation where I replaced the offending performance file with that of the WSRC standard. The result was that all checksums were seen to be correct with the new performance file, thus eliminating any doubt as to the nature of any other untoward happenings.

Here is the test I've completed which proves that the performance file was the only extenuating factor in my race.

rapidshare.de/files/32027484/hsv_appeal.qro.html

You may compare this with the race I submitted:
rapidshare.de/files/32028003/hsv_monza_race.qro.html

Therefore, I tender an alternate punishment of 12 seconds to be applied to my final race time for the 2006 WSRC Italian Grand Prix. In light of the case against Matthews several months back, I believe that this is a fair and correct punishment.

[DK_Holden]

I agree with Matt's alternate punishment.

[jcaranti]

Ok after an investigacion of my gp4 i concluded that i used the correct files. But hower without using csm the Init was wrong displayed in hofxlap. Matt can tell you this because he passed me his gp4.exe and physics file just a little while ago.

So i dont know what to say.

[Senna]

What was the final time of your race?

[Dave]

good q

[DK_Holden]

Bruno, you'll finish ahead of him if the alternate punishment is exacted.

(12m29)

[Senna]

k1 said:

Bruno, you'll finish ahead of him if the alternate punishment is exacted.

(12m29)

Well, I know that Matt is a good boy ;D so I think that it is OK for me then, dunno about others

[Mαττ]

Yup, you'll beat me

lol, thanks ;D

[laurent]

init, car, damage, cc checksum: 137a4f4e, 00000000, 6015de08, 19a05e2a

These are my checksums..... same problems as the other guys....

Strange fact ==> I use CSM.
I did everything the site tells me too, and I also got help of my teammate Dave!!

I dnno how this is possible.... but I'm sure my race is 100 legal!

[Viper]

The init has nothing to do with the performance file as far as I'm concerned. That should only change the CC Checksum, which I already atested that doesn't matter really, as long as BHP values are correct. I dunno what you guys did that produced 3 exactly equal init checksums.

You brought back Matthew's case, but that was wrong BHP amount and not checksum. If we open a precedent over wrong checksum now, it could get out of hand in the future. That's my view on it.

And the ones thinking that I did this to win are very much mistaken. I already won the championship and I don't even need to race anymore. I almost didn't for this race, but decided at the last minute just to see how I'd go at Monza in the rain. I'm just trying to set the standards on how we check everyone's files since looking from previous races, was starting to get out of hand. Again, the CC checksum is not being considered anymore, but the init one is.

[jcaranti]

senna said:

What was the final time of your race?

Mine was 12minutes 7.6 seconds

This morning i talked to Matt in msn and he passed me his physics and his gp4.exe and i put the same perf file as everyone, but still the INIT didnt change. So i dont understand.

Viper@ i apologyze i was pissed off and wasnt thinking.

I was hoping for a penalty time.

Bye

[Viper]

I understand, but as I said, this is about the rules really. If we open a precedent now, the next time it happens, the person will be able to ask for a time penalty as well and the rest of you won't like. Also, apart from Matt, you two are starting at the end of the year, and wouldn't have much to lose from this, and you have to remember that you two were a lot faster than everyone else, and the penalty in the end would mean nothing really.

BTW, what version of GpxPatch are you three running? I use latest version.

[Dave]

if you are using csm 1.26 that integrates gpxpatch

[Viper]

True...one more reason for everyone to use CSM 1.26

[jcaranti]

viper said:

BTW, what version of GpxPatch are you three running? I use latest version.

I use Gpxpatch 3.91 .

I was just wondering i saw in other leagues that drivers might get diferent INITS. Good example is F1VWC because all teams have diferent physics and between team mates i saw diferent INIT. I think the same applies to this league.
I tell this because i was one of the persons that checked qualify and race files.
You can ask Dave if you dont believe.
Or more i can introduce to you the Admin of that website and he will tell you the same as me.
Last about rules sometimes you have be flexible sometimes.