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Post by Lex on Oct 2, 2005 19:34:18 GMT -5
Hotlaps.
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Post by Viper on Oct 2, 2005 19:53:53 GMT -5
Upon further inspection, it would be possible to do it with a quickrace and submit the hotlaps...it's possible to remove all the cars but the player's so that we can drive alone. We could do a test upon season's end and see how it goes maybe?
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Post by Saturdaynight on Oct 3, 2005 7:55:57 GMT -5
Upon further inspection, it would be possible to do it with a quickrace and submit the hotlaps...it's possible to remove all the cars but the player's so that we can drive alone. We could do a test upon season's end and see how it goes maybe? When you say, upon sessions end, do you mean when we are Done with Spa, or with the season? It doesn't really require everyone to participate, as long as we have the data we need to do the test.
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Post by Viper on Oct 3, 2005 11:35:27 GMT -5
Well, I meant when we were finish with the season, but if you want to, you and me can test it before hand. I just didn't want to include another thing in the middle of the season for everyone else to do right now.
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Post by Saturdaynight on Oct 3, 2005 11:44:03 GMT -5
Well, I meant when we were finish with the season, but if you want to, you and me can test it before hand. I just didn't want to include another thing in the middle of the season for everyone else to do right now. I have no problem doing some tests in the following week, after the Spa race. You and I can work from the data that we submit for this test. If this proves successful, then we could do away with the grid disadvantage and submit 15% quickrace saves. Since I've never done this before. Would you set the amount of cars, in GPxPatch under GPxSet Session Settings or is it different then that?
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Post by Viper on Oct 3, 2005 12:03:17 GMT -5
Inside Gp4 you can choose if you wish to race in quickrace with all cars, or only player cars. I didn't test it yet, but if it does what it says, it should work. If it does not, it's possible to remove all the AI cars with the latest version of Tweaker and CSM too.
As for the data, we can still require hotlaps. It's possible afterall to save them during a race. We could even ask for a savegame done after the end of the race, but I can't see how that would help much...
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Post by Viper on Oct 3, 2005 12:11:28 GMT -5
I tested it and it seems it doesn't work I as I thought. It only affects multiplayer as it seems. It's still possible with Tweaker and CSM though...
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Post by Saturdaynight on Oct 3, 2005 12:53:23 GMT -5
Ok then. well, we'll try it out in TWeaker and/or CSM and worse case scenario, we fall back on our old plan. I'd still want to see what option everyone likes better.
hotlaps
or quickrace.
Looks like we've got one vote for hotlaps at the moment.
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Post by Viper on Oct 3, 2005 16:08:14 GMT -5
Hotlaps are quicker to be made, since if you screw up you can just go to the pits and try again. Not the same with the quickrace, but it would enable us to do some different stuff, like pitting if one thinks it is a good idea...we really need to test it to see if it works so that we can have it as an alternative. I'll try and start preparing the files to test it tomorrow...
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Post by Mαττ on Oct 6, 2005 23:15:21 GMT -5
i'd prefer to do a quickrace tbh against other cars, but im happy either way.
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Post by Viper on Oct 6, 2005 23:24:19 GMT -5
Well, the problem with doing against other cars is that it wouldn't be fair for everyone. What if you get stuck behind someone and lose time?
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Post by Mαττ on Oct 7, 2005 1:27:49 GMT -5
i think that would be part of the deal. hopefully we'd have some sort of performance file to reflect our abilities so if you were for instance, stuck behind rocha, give or take a few seconds you'd be actually fighting for position. im not saying it isnt complicated... how about penalties? i dont know about the rest of you, but im getting sick of watching rocha and vincenzi disappear off into the distance. (is it coincidence that they're both brazilian?) why not some sort of erm...performance penalty to even things up a little (easily done by removing horsepower)...i dont expect them to like it, but it might give the rest of us a chance
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Post by wizard on Oct 7, 2005 4:33:23 GMT -5
I think racing with other cars on the track would be excellent. I always feel really lonely on the track racing on my own, plus strangely enough i find it hard to maintain my concentration. I prefer to be racing against another car or two and having to push that way.
I must also say as i said when we started the wsrc last nov, that we should keep the rules to the minimum. If we dont people will get pi**ed off with the series or bored with the confusion of it all.
I do agree with mjf that for some reason there seems to be a huge difference between rocha vincenzi and everyone else. And i dont think its pure driving skill. I think setup and maybe using steering wheel helps. I dont really know. All i know is that when i drive a track particularly one i enjoy like belgium or canada, i push very hard, i cannot see how someone can go 2 seconds faster than me, i'm just not that slow, simple as that!
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Post by Mαττ on Oct 7, 2005 5:07:34 GMT -5
theres something they're doing that we're not anyway. i dont spend a great deal of time on setup tbh and it seems vincenzi does make quite a few adjustments, but i still find it hard to believe theres a whole 2 seconds to be found just by fiddling around with the springs, suspension etc. i use a wheel and manual shifting and i like to think im competitive. not brilliant or anything but its hard to comprehend this big gap. one thing that does need to happen is standardised .dats...its possible some of the time is being found there, also i heard whispers months before about frame-rates and how you might be able to exploit something there. im not sure, its all speculation on my part. what about the black flag disabler in gp4tweaker? im sure noone is being that blatent...but still perhaps some driving/setup tips viper and lex?
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Post by Viper on Oct 7, 2005 7:39:48 GMT -5
With the phsysics we are using, keyboards are faster. Nicola Aciarri did this physics exactly for keyboard users so we might have an advantage there. Yes, I'm on keyboard. Can't afford a good wheel right now. I fiddle with setup till I can squeeze every last thousandth of the car. That's also why I tend to do this big amount of laps. Proof of this is Silverstone where I didn't do much with my setup, so Matt was behind my tail all the time. Now as for dat files, as far as I'm concerned no one here has the same, since you guys asked. Or at least most of us. This comes for instance from updating track wads (that comes with diferent dats) and so on. I also didn't say anything, but most here are not using the performance file Saturdaynight made for the competition. Yes, people who are using low frame-rates, around 20 to 15 do get an advantage. The game runs slower so you are able to react quicker to any errors you make and you can also control the car a lot better in corners. As for Gp4 tweaker, well that's a huge problem. There have been a couple of occasions this season that me and saturday raised an eyebrow to the times we saw. That's partially why we want everyone to use a CSM carset for next season. You see, when everyone uses the same files, the checksums on hofxlap are the same. So if anyone does disable black flags for instance, or change any other file, we'll know. Me and Saturday talked a great deal about all this during the season. While this season might end up not being completely fair, you can rest assured that next season we'll be watching the true skill of everyone. Finally, the quickrace problem...you guys might think it's cool to use it with cars, but again, that'll only bring more confusion. With different dificulty settings people would have a better chance then others of not being stuck behind someone. That'd would unbalance the whole thing again and we would be seeing who has better luck instead of who's the best driver. We could enforce a dificulty setting, but some people might need a few driving aids that aren't avaible on Ace for instance, but that still wouldn't solve the problem. I hope this clears thing up a bit
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