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Post by Mαττ on Apr 25, 2006 17:02:31 GMT -5
i was just thinking (yeah, it happens once in a while) and i've decided that qualifying as it stands is effectively useless. sure, there's the grid depreciation values, but just small tenths of a second really doesnt have that much of an effect on the final times. what i propose is to make qualifying worth something, where the depreciation is not going to be measured by the tenth chart, but by the difference between your time and the pole sitters time. for example: zeppelin sets pole with a 1:24.333 and viper is second with a 1:25.800. thats a gap of 1.467s which could then be added to viper's final race time. its still not a large amount, but it could make the difference. lets say senna qualifies 3rd on a 1:30.670. he's 6.337s behind pole and that time will get added to his final race time. i think it could spice things up a little and inspire people to do their best in qualifying. late submitions will incur a mean penalty where the average distance between last and pole will count for their penalty, unless your time is slower than the mean, in which case no penalty will be added. not qualifying will incur a 1 second penalty added to the gap between pole and last placed guys. this should inspire people to be competitive through-out qualifying. the system aims to reward those who put the effort into qualifying what do you guys think?
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Post by Senna on Apr 25, 2006 20:37:58 GMT -5
It seems interesting... but of course like every idea it has his disadvantages... for example, my teammate, always qualify some seconds behind everyone... your idea could push him much more far from us than he is now, cutting his chances to get some points... It could only be good for the front runners like vincenzi and tom and also make the whole race a bit boring The grid depreciation chart is there to put us where we should be on the starting grid... a second placed driver in real life isnt penalised to be starting in that position because he was just one second slower than the pole position driver... he just starts in the another side of the track and with a small tenths of a second behind the pole driver, so i think that the actual rules are the closest thing we can have to make the things look real. And i dont have anything against the actual qualifying rules, I think that the things like they are now are the main reason why our races are competitive and with good battles... so i think that we should keep with the actual qualifying rules, they are good because they equal our chances to get the win, what i think that its the right thing to do We can see the difference between the actual rules and your idea using the last race stats... take that race as an example and apply your idea... I doubt that the race could be much more exciting with your idea than it was with the actual rules But if the actual rules for qualifying make it useless, I think that we could have a look at the grid depreciation chart values. Maybe increasing a little bit these values should make the difference? And I think the qualifying looks useless because... well... there's only seven or eight drivers... it would look interesting if we had 22 drivers with the actual rules... so i think that we need to talk about the WSRC to our friends and invite them Also a partnership with any GP4 website should help, like gp4italia or grandprixgames...
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Post by Rhino on Apr 26, 2006 0:05:53 GMT -5
I agree with both of you guys in points. I hope i dont confuse people with this, but just throwing another idea around what about a reverse grid of the qualifying with some sort of insentive for qualiying with fast time. So if there are 7 racers then 7th gets .5 points, 6th gets 1 points all the way to first who get 3.5 points added to their drivers chamionship points. Then the grid is reversed and then MjF's qualifying differences are inforced. This way the slowest qualifyer could start 6 seconds ahead on the fastest driver. Having this in place could make the races a little more interesting, bit more challenging for the faster guys to catch the others. Though the only problem with this is you could perposely qualify with a really slow time and then win the race by going fast in the race. It would have to rely on a honesty system.
Dont know if this is to complex but i was just suggesting something different.
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Post by Senna on Apr 26, 2006 9:07:35 GMT -5
I agree with both of you guys in points. I hope i dont confuse people with this, but just throwing another idea around what about a reverse grid of the qualifying with some sort of insentive for qualiying with fast time. So if there are 7 racers then 7th gets .5 points, 6th gets 1 points all the way to first who get 3.5 points added to their drivers chamionship points. Then the grid is reversed and then MjF's qualifying differences are inforced. This way the slowest qualifyer could start 6 seconds ahead on the fastest driver. Having this in place could make the races a little more interesting, bit more challenging for the faster guys to catch the others. Though the only problem with this is you could perposely qualify with a really slow time and then win the race by going fast in the race. It would have to rely on a honesty system. Dont know if this is to complex but i was just suggesting something different. It is really very complex! But giving points for qualifying would be interesting too starting with 1 point for the pole position driver...
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Post by Viper on Apr 26, 2006 9:22:28 GMT -5
Initially I had found the system matt presented to be nice, but Bruno posted a few issues that I think are very valid. But now it's starting to get to complicated. I'm thinking here of just increasing the disadvantage chart from 1 tenth per position to 2 or 3 tenths. Last year there were races where the chart worked very well. It just didn't happen this year yet. Using this proposed system I'd probably still have won the Spanish GP anyway, so I'm starting to think we don't really have a problem.
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Post by Senna on Apr 26, 2006 9:43:55 GMT -5
Initially I had found the system matt presented to be nice, but Bruno posted a few issues that I think are very valid. But now it's starting to get to complicated. I'm thinking here of just increasing the disadvantage chart from 1 tenth per position to 2 or 3 tenths. Last year there were races where the chart worked very well. It just didn't happen this year yet. Using this proposed system I'd probably still have won the Spanish GP anyway, so I'm starting to think we don't really have a problem. Yeah, exactly what I thought. BTW I've found where you are testing the joomla thing
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Post by Viper on Apr 26, 2006 10:35:22 GMT -5
We'll discuss that on the other thread
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Post by Mαττ on Apr 26, 2006 10:59:03 GMT -5
yep, senna makes some very good points. we dont want a complicated system. god, look at the f1 system nowdays...its ridiculously over-complicated. certainly i think increasing the grid depreciation would be a good move, as one tenth of a second really isnt that much time at all...especially over a distance of roughly 10 laps. really, there's not much wrong with the system we currently have, but i just felt that it was a little non-effective. as for promotion of the series, we've advertised at SRW, GP4carpainting and GPG within the past few months. problem is that SRW is effectively dead, and GPG have their own league. i really dont know anyone from gp4italia, nor do i speak italian, so if anyone here is on good terms with the guys from gp4italia, then it surely couldn't hurt to promote the series there
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Post by Viper on Apr 26, 2006 11:55:36 GMT -5
What you guys think though of having a Post qualifying press conference? It would look good on the new site
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Post by zeppelin101 on Apr 26, 2006 17:15:33 GMT -5
You'll get few words out of me if I'm in the top 3
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Post by zeppelin101 on Apr 26, 2006 17:17:10 GMT -5
yep, senna makes some very good points. we dont want a complicated system. god, look at the f1 system nowdays...its ridiculously over-complicated. certainly i think increasing the grid depreciation would be a good move, as one tenth of a second really isnt that much time at all...especially over a distance of roughly 10 laps. really, there's not much wrong with the system we currently have, but i just felt that it was a little non-effective. as for promotion of the series, we've advertised at SRW, GP4carpainting and GPG within the past few months. problem is that SRW is effectively dead, and GPG have their own league. i really dont know anyone from gp4italia, nor do i speak italian, so if anyone here is on good terms with the guys from gp4italia, then it surely couldn't hurt to promote the series there GPG's however, isn't hotlapping, and not many people there are interested in hotlapping. I'll put it this way, GPG is home to the shooters and the modders, and the n00bs, there aren't many people there anymore (ratio wise anyways) who just play the game for fun
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