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Post by Dave on Jun 28, 2006 10:07:55 GMT -5
V12s and Slicks
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Post by Senna on Jun 28, 2006 10:21:04 GMT -5
*sigh* never mind -edit- V6's would cause even more problems than V8's Formula One 1986-1988 (V6's) - 3.5 L formula / 1.5 L turbo - FIA regulations limited boost pressure for two seasons before the eventual ban of forced induction. - Power estimates of 500-800bhp, turbos 500 to 900 in race, in qualifiying up to 1300 hp Formula One 1989-1994 (V10's and V12's) - 3.5 L formula. - Power range up to 750 hp Formula One 2006 (V8's) 2006 For 2006, the engines must be 90° V8 of 2.4 litres maximum capacity with a 98 mm maximum circular bore, which imply a 39.7 mm minimum stroke. They have two inlet and two exhaust circular valves per cylinder, are normally-aspirated and must have a 95 kg minimum weight. Previous year's engines with a rev-limiter are permitted for 2006 and 2007 for teams who can't obtain a competitive V8. Pre-cooling air before it enters the cylinders, injection of any substance other than air and fuel into the cylinders, variable-geometry intake and exhaust systems, variable valve timing are forbidden. Each cylinder can have only one fuel injector and a single plug spark ignition. Separate starting devices are used to start engines in the pits and on the grid. The crankcase and cylinder block must be made of cast or wrought aluminium alloys. The crankshaft and camshafts must be made from an iron alloy, pistons from an aluminium alloy and valves from alloys based on iron, nickel, cobalt or titanium. The complete rules are available from the FIA Formula One world chamionship regulations. [2] This is leading to a power reduction of around 20% from the three litre engines. For example, Toyota F1 announces an approximately 740 hp output at 19000 rpm in its new RVX-06 engine [3], but real figures are of course difficult to obtain.
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Post by Viper on Jun 28, 2006 11:08:01 GMT -5
I really think we should stick to V10s. Changing to V8 will lead to more trouble then you think.
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Post by Dave on Jun 28, 2006 11:13:17 GMT -5
...v12s
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Post by Viper on Jun 28, 2006 11:29:57 GMT -5
If you want more speed, we can just increase the BHP for next year a bit. Changing to V12 would pose the same problems as to changing to a V8.
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Post by Dave on Jun 28, 2006 11:31:42 GMT -5
I'm not particularly bothered about engines, as long as we get slicks
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Post by zeppelin101 on Jun 28, 2006 11:32:28 GMT -5
The turbo's would be impossible to recreate anyway, so it doesn't matter how much extra power they develop. Anyway, with the V12's I suggested, there would be a broader power band than with a V6, giving more power, probably quicker too. Turbochargers have a horrible lag, and in an engine producing more than 10,000rpm, this would suck to reproduce in torque editor
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Post by Senna on Jun 28, 2006 11:37:21 GMT -5
If you want more speed, we can just increase the BHP for next year a bit. Changing to V12 would pose the same problems as to changing to a V8. Well, how much (estimated) BHPs real F1 cars had in V10's compared to the real V12's ? This information is missing in my mind to make up my decision Of course I won't consider a change to V8's after what I've seen in the actual F1 season, I was pretty disappointed to see the top speed of the V8 cars at the back straight compared to the past races at Montreal with V10's...
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Post by Viper on Jun 28, 2006 11:39:12 GMT -5
Seriously, we have to be realistic before anything. Changing physics dramatically will mean putting an all new learning curve for everyone and the physics and eventual dats would have to be ready at least 2 months before the next season begins for everyone to be used to it.
I dunno what I'll be doing at the end of the year but right now I don't see myself with a lot time to work those things out. Changing tyres to slcks doesn't sound too complicated to me and that should be easy to do, but the other things so far sounds a bit overly complicated.
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Post by Senna on Jun 28, 2006 11:41:00 GMT -5
The turbo's would be impossible to recreate anyway, so it doesn't matter how much extra power they develop. Anyway, with the V12's I suggested, there would be a broader power band than with a V6, giving more power, probably quicker too. Turbochargers have a horrible lag, and in an engine producing more than 10,000rpm, this would suck to reproduce in torque editor I was thinking about three options - stick to V10's, changing to 1988 V6 rules or move to the V12's... I am looking for the real estimated bhp power values of these engines to make up my mind Just because I can't believe that real V10 engines could have 900 bhp, it is very intriguing for me
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Post by Senna on Jun 28, 2006 11:46:51 GMT -5
Seriously, we have to be realistic before anything. Changing physics dramatically will mean putting an all new learning curve for everyone and the physics and eventual dats would have to be ready at least 2 months before the next season begins for everyone to be used to it. This could make the championship more competitive and equalise the things a bit, better than that Vincenzi Domination LOL
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Post by Dave on Jun 28, 2006 11:52:21 GMT -5
stick to V10s more time for endurance races
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Post by zeppelin101 on Jun 28, 2006 11:54:52 GMT -5
The turbo's would be impossible to recreate anyway, so it doesn't matter how much extra power they develop. Anyway, with the V12's I suggested, there would be a broader power band than with a V6, giving more power, probably quicker too. Turbochargers have a horrible lag, and in an engine producing more than 10,000rpm, this would suck to reproduce in torque editor I was thinking about three options - stick to V10's, changing to 1988 V6 rules or move to the V12's... I am looking for the real estimated bhp power values of these engines to make up my mind Just because I can't believe that real V10 engines could have 900 bhp, it is very intriguing for me Well since the V10's were pushing 1000bhp at the end of last year (Honda had 990 or so iirc) you better believe it Diogo mate, I already explained that it wouldn't cause the same problem. The V8's would because less power = more grip = stupidly easy drive and crazy laptimes. With a V12 and the current physics set (just an increase in longitundinal grip and BHP) the cars would be a lot more fun to drive, and the laptimes would only increase a small amount imo
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Post by Dave on Jun 28, 2006 11:57:47 GMT -5
V10s with 1000bhp please
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Post by Senna on Jun 28, 2006 11:59:54 GMT -5
Well since the V10's were pushing 1000bhp at the end of last year (Honda had 990 or so iirc) you better believe it Diogo mate, I already explained that it wouldn't cause the same problem. The V8's would because less power = more grip = stupidly easy drive and crazy laptimes. With a V12 and the current physics set (just an increase in longitundinal grip and BHP) the cars would be a lot more fun to drive, and the laptimes would only increase a small amount imo Now I'm undecided between V10's and V8's How about the 1988 V6 engines?
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