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Post by Dave on Oct 10, 2006 2:55:34 GMT -5
I did try and bring in new drivers from the F1VWC They have just launched an rfactor league that is helping to bring in more new players. tbh at this point in time i dont know if i will be racing here next year, i dont have the time i used to have and now ive got this checksum problem, rfactor is so much easier. It would probably be a good idea for this league to partner a site, would safeguard the future, although I dont think it will be around much longer anyway As for the tracks, it would make sense to just run the 2007 F1 calendar, and run each race at that particular date..perhaps giving us more interest in doing it? The engines should again, probably be switched to V8s to mirror real F1 and tyres should be Bridgestones. Perhaps the lack of similarity to real F1 is what drivers players away?
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Post by Viper on Oct 10, 2006 9:00:59 GMT -5
Well, do you guys wanna try and switch to rFactor then? I'll be very sorry to see Gp4 go...it's a much better F1 game than rFactor is or will be. Maybe we could try and run two leagues like we were discussing? I'm open for ideas.
Problem with running the F1 calendar, is that it'll be much tighter then what it is now...we have a race each two weeks with a few 3 week breaks...but with real F1 calendar, we'll get a few 1 week breaks as well for instance. But I'm ok with it...if everyone else agrees, let's do it.
So what you are saying is mirror F1? Shouldn't be a problem...I'll test V8 physics then and see how they feel. Using only bridgestones was in my ideas anyway.
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Post by Senna on Oct 10, 2006 9:03:55 GMT -5
I did try and bring in new drivers from the F1VWC They have just launched an rfactor league that is helping to bring in more new players. tbh at this point in time i dont know if i will be racing here next year, i dont have the time i used to have and now ive got this checksum problem, rfactor is so much easier. It would probably be a good idea for this league to partner a site, would safeguard the future, although I dont think it will be around much longer anyway As for the tracks, it would make sense to just run the 2007 F1 calendar, and run each race at that particular date..perhaps giving us more interest in doing it? The engines should again, probably be switched to V8s to mirror real F1 and tyres should be Bridgestones. Perhaps the lack of similarity to real F1 is what drivers players away? Yeah, and you brought a competition stronger than we expected, leading you to lose the hockenheim victory hahaha I'll be looking for a GP4 website partnership this week and negotiate with them so we can make everyone happy and have a 2007 season Matching the real 2007 F1 regulations (tyres, engines) makes much more sense for me, I agree with u Dave If we have more space between the races in some occasions, I'm sure that everyone will have time to play without conflicting with our particular lives. With the current calendar, for the newcomers is hard because they have to work more time to find a good car-setup while the experienced wsrc drivers already have it. I think that if I had a car-setup expert as a test driver, the things would have been easier for me and take less time to do the laps. Although I love to do test sessions too, my knowledge about car-setups is limited and I am surprised that I did quite well this season! I had to do more than 200 laps around silverstone to be satisfied with a car-setup!
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Post by Viper on Oct 10, 2006 9:06:06 GMT -5
The main problem I see with competitions like this, is that everyone expects to win...they don't so they get out...it happened many times over the two years we've been running this league.
Ok, how do you guys feel about doing 100% races with AI drivers on, as opposed to the 15% lonely races? We'd be able to start on the right grid position, and the ability from each one to driver past AI drivers would count as well as oposed to only times... Maybe 50% would be ok too.
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Post by Senna on Oct 10, 2006 9:08:46 GMT -5
Well, do you guys wanna try and switch to rFactor then? I'll be very sorry to see Gp4 go...it's a much better F1 game than rFactor is or will be. Maybe we could try and run two leagues like we were discussing? I'm open for ideas. Problem with running the F1 calendar, is that it'll be much tighter then what it is now...we have a race each two weeks with a few 3 week breaks...but with real F1 calendar, we'll get a few 1 week breaks as well for instance. But I'm ok with it...if everyone else agrees, let's do it. So what you are saying is mirror F1? Shouldn't be a problem...I'll test V8 physics then and see how they feel. Using only bridgestones was in my ideas anyway. I'd try rfactor if I were satisfied with the car handling, I need to test the CTDP v1.1 new physics for the server mode first. With tin tops I have a reasonable car control, but the F1 mod... oh God. But I agree, GP4 is better than rfactor when it comes to F1 but rfactor is better for different mods, adds more fun and awesome graphics. Its hard to choose between these two. For the calendar, V8s and the tyres, I'm OK with it. If we are going to use V8s I just need to know what to change in my current car setups to keep the good performance I had so far.
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Post by Senna on Oct 10, 2006 9:12:09 GMT -5
The main problem I see with competitions like this, is that everyone expects to win...they don't so they get out...it happened many times over the two years we've been running this league. Ok, how do you guys feel about doing 100% races with AI drivers on, as opposed to the 15% lonely races? We'd be able to start on the right grid position, and the ability from each one to driver past AI drivers would count as well as oposed to only times... Maybe 50% would be ok too. Well, I dunno about others but I am happy and the challenge in pursuing my first victory is keeping me here, and if it happens, I'll stay a loooong time here Argh, the idea is too much radical for me :S I'll be doing a research in the rules of the main Gp4 leagues such as LFRS and F1VWC and offer some ideas for the quickrace mode, but I dont want them to be longer than 15% or 20%. Would 20% allow the choice between 1 stop or 2 stops, allowing the strategy part of the game to play an important role here?
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Post by Viper on Oct 10, 2006 9:34:27 GMT -5
I don't think so. Very hard to get back 20 or so seconds lost from the pitstop in a few laps. For instance, Suzuka is 51 laps in 100%. 20% is only 10 laps. If you do two stops, you'll have lost about 36 seconds opposed to the 18 seconds 1-stop will take. And you just can't get 18 seconds back in 3 laps. The only way we can have some stragety working is if we do the 100% race.
F1VWC is 100% races.
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Post by Senna on Oct 10, 2006 9:38:28 GMT -5
I don't think so. Very hard to get back 20 or so seconds lost from the pitstop in a few laps. For instance, Suzuka is 51 laps in 100%. 20% is only 10 laps. If you do two stops, you'll have lost about 36 seconds opposed to the 18 seconds 1-stop will take. And you just can't get 18 seconds back in 3 laps. The only way we can have some stragety working is if we do the 100% race. F1VWC is 100% races. Gosh :S a 100% race with the current settings and without some driving aids is impossible :S I have tried a lot of times before sending my final race for suzuka, I was always losing the control through the 130R, the last attempt I had to slow down there because I was irritated with it and decided to complete the race only. In terms of laps, I think we could go for 20 laps, or in your % terms, 40%. We can have enough race action in our race reports with that percentage. Something between 15 and 20%.
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Post by Senna on Oct 10, 2006 9:47:17 GMT -5
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Post by Senna on Oct 10, 2006 10:02:59 GMT -5
Right, I had a quick look at the F1VWC rulebook, and interesting things I found are:
- If we are going to do 100% races, saving should be allowed, but once during the race.. (See article 4.6, points 7, and 9)
- Tyre compounds should be the same used in Qualifying (4.6, point 6) Well it could be useless since we all know that softer compounds are the best
- Use the real F1 2007 weather? We could run the races 1 week after the real F1 races, and using the same weather for both quali and race sessions?
- Physics: Look at the article 4.2, for the testing sessions it looks interesting. We could choose where to use the points we gained in these test sessions.
- We could use race fuel in qualifying (article 4.4) and start from the position we qualified in (4.6 - 7)
I'll take a further look at it later but so far this is what I found interesting.
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Post by Viper on Oct 10, 2006 10:09:00 GMT -5
All those sound good to me. Similar to what I was thinking. The testing part is a bit more complicated...maybe it's a good time to develop my software
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Post by Senna on Oct 10, 2006 10:16:56 GMT -5
All those sound good to me. Similar to what I was thinking. The testing part is a bit more complicated...maybe it's a good time to develop my software Yeah, for me these sound good too, but the race lenght is too much for me, we could go for either 20% or 40%, and saving would be in the middle of the race and when entering the pits only. And for the weather, we could use random seed in GPxPatch, so everyone gets the same weather and we can control the weather, so we dont need to reload the game a lot of times to get the perfect weather (the light blue bars and other things in weather screen). It would be a PERFECT change to our rules because when we set 100% wet weather we get a fucking wet storm and its fucking undriveable. We need to have weather conditions closer to the real ones. Diogo knows that the Hofxlap displays the random seed used in our laps
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Post by Viper on Oct 10, 2006 10:27:05 GMT -5
Yeah, well, 100% is hardly undriveable, but that's a good idea too. I personally like the 100% race better. I know it's 1 hour and a half, but you only have to do it once, and since you have to be worried about not making mistakes, there won't be so much pressure on doing all laps perfect. I think it would be much more interesting to base the series more on consistency then on pure speed.
If we run with AI cars, it has to be 100%, otherwise they don't make correct pitstops...
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Post by Senna on Oct 10, 2006 10:35:08 GMT -5
oh no, no AI cars... I'd rather stick to 20% or 40% (and 50%) but without AI cars...
You can imagine me trying 100% races? If I make a mistake on lap 25 of 51 at Suzuka, I'll be very, very irritated and start everything again... and it happens again and again in other circumstances and after that I'd have spent the whole day doing the race... I dont want it to happen, that thing shouldnt take so much time from our lifes, agree? Its just something I love to have fun. My aim is to make the series open for every interested driver and to make it possible we need to make the series a bit more easier.
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Post by Dave on Oct 10, 2006 10:36:59 GMT -5
if you guys need anything from the vwc let me know, i drive for one of the teams and help out with the admin duties
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