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Post by Senna on Oct 11, 2006 10:12:58 GMT -5
Alonso was nowhere near Schumacher though...he was like 8 seconds behind 5 seconds, sometimes 4, and he was closing the gap to Michael when they found traffic ahead, and then he lost the pace but was recovering it when Michael's engine blew up. With 17 laps to go, most probably if Michael's engine didnt blew up, I was thinking that MS could try something similar to Prost vs Senna in 1989 if Alonso tried to pass him after closing the gap. The same famous chicane? We'll never know.
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Post by zeppelin101 on Oct 11, 2006 10:57:51 GMT -5
w00t 8 seconds, wow thats like immense, should we just say that he'd already won the race? d'oh
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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2006 11:14:39 GMT -5
yeah, please, say hes won the race lol
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Post by Senna on Oct 17, 2006 11:07:08 GMT -5
OK, in which points of the 2007 rules we have agreed so far?
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Post by Viper on Oct 17, 2006 15:49:45 GMT -5
I need to go through the thread and take a look...didn't have time so far...
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Post by Senna on Nov 16, 2006 9:25:18 GMT -5
OK, I couldnt be bothered to read all the things carefully, so I did a quick go through the topic and... Feel free to suggest changes, this is just to sum up what we've been discussing. WSRC 2007 TECHNICAL SPECS PROPOSALChassis: Free choice between any F1 chassis available, preferably from 2005-2006 season. Fantasy chassis are subject to further inspection by WSRC Governing Body Suppliers (Fuel, brakes, gas...): Free choice for all, except tyre brands (See Tyres) Engines: We could go for V8 or V10 engines, because we need to stick the series close to the real F1 thing, in order to spice up drivers interest in joining the series. Tyres: Slicks or Grooved Bridgestone tyres? New brands (Dunlop, Pirelli, Goodyear...) ? WSRC 2007 TECHNICAL RULEBOOK PROPOSALSubmtion & Software: Pretty much the same as 2006, same deadlines, same softwares (CSM and carsets) Driving Aids: Subject to further discussion, but most likely to be the same as 2006 WSRC season Calendar: Try to match the F1 2007 calendar? With the races scheduled to 1 week after each real F1 race, to allow us to mirror the weather conditions used in that race? Tracks: 17 races or 18 races, subject to further discussion, use the new tracks such as Bahrain, Shanghai, Istanbul or not? Qualifying: NEW! In order to replicate the 2006 F1 qualifying format, we could go out with fuel for 3 hotlaps, the first one as Q1, second as Q2 and third as Q3? The laps should be done with the same amount of fuel you'll start the race. Other suggestion: 2 hotlaps with lighter free fuel amount, and Q3 in one hotlap with race fuel. Saving and sending formats. 3 files, Q1 lap, Q2 lap and Q3 lap. lap names should be saved with the session they are in (if you want a lap to be your Q1 lap, save as drivername_laptime_Q1) Races: Keep the current format or increase it to 30% (I cant agree with more than that), with saving allowed once you are in the pits for your pitstop? (See article 4.6, points 7 and 9 of F1VWC rulebook as an example) Drivers should start the race with the fuel they used in Q3 (Article 4.4 of F1VWC Rulebook) Saving and sending formats are the same as 2006 season. AI cars arent allowed. 1 Pit stop is mandatory. Weather: Use the real F1 2007 weather? We could run the races 1 week after the real F1 races, and using the same weather for both quali and race sessions? This is possible setting the random seed in GpxPatch CSM extension. The random seed will be provided to all the drivers by the WSRC race admin. Physics: Subject to the 2007 engine specs Testing: Testing points to be added to your physics file (See F1VWC rulebook, article 4.2, for the testing sessions it looks interesting. We could choose where to use the points we gained in these test sessions.) FURTHER REFERENCE:F1VWC 2006 rulebook: www.f1vwc.com/downloads/f1vwc-2006-rules.pdf
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Post by Senna on Nov 28, 2006 9:53:01 GMT -5
So guys... what are your thoughts about the 2007 season?
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Post by Mαττ on Nov 29, 2006 7:14:46 GMT -5
No new tracks please. My PC, for whatever reason can't really handle them (they CTD upon pressing 'ESC') and generally, most 3rd party tracks are pretty average quality in terms of cc lines and such. Qualifying is unnecessarily complicated. I maintain we stick to the same format of a single lap. 30% race distance...I like that idea. I dont know what other people might think of it, but in my view it may allow for more spiced up results as even the very best people can make mistakes. On the other hand it may mean that those who can lap faster will invariably pull ahead by huge distances. This is where qualifying penalties may have to be increased. Alternative suggestions on the back of a postcard please...or in this thread
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Post by Senna on Nov 29, 2006 8:14:07 GMT -5
But the qualifying isnt any complicated... just three laps, Q1 and Q2 with free fuel amount and the Q3 laps with race fuel... it helps to spice up things in the grid and gives a better chance for everyone to gain positions. Because strategy plays a great part of the game here in Q3 - will you go out with fuel for only one flying lap to do a Toyota @ Suzuka and get the pole or employ a good pitstop strategy to win? ;D
I believe that we can have different pitstop strategies because if we are going to increase the race distance, the strategies will be different, according to how many perfect and consistent laps we can do.
And the Q1 and Q2 things helps us to eliminate our biggest rivals if we manage to be faster than them, giving us more chance to get the pole =)
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Post by nickv on Nov 29, 2006 12:16:01 GMT -5
Keep the current quali format. And yes, the grid penalties should be increased. 30% race distance sound good to me. It'll be around 15-20 laps I guess. That's not too much.
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Post by Senna on Nov 29, 2006 14:47:24 GMT -5
Keep the current quali format. And yes, the grid penalties should be increased. 30% race distance sound good to me. It'll be around 15-20 laps I guess. That's not too much. Then its 0-2 down to my revolutionary quali format OK, we could just make the qualifying lap with race fuel ? Then start the race with the same amount we had at the end of the qualifying...
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Post by Viper on Nov 30, 2006 7:25:03 GMT -5
I'd rather keep the current quali format too. I liked your rules BTW. I'd stick to most of it except qualifying. BTW, why not keep Michelin and Bridgestone for Tyre brands anyway? I don't see a problem with that. Finally, I'm not sure how much I'll be able to be around next year, so it's good to see that you are interested on giving more suggestions to the series
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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2006 4:34:43 GMT -5
WSRC 2007 TECHNICAL SPECS PROPOSAL Stick with current engines, when i was recruiting people one of the things they looked forward to was racing cars with 900bhp+ V10s. Allow free choice here, why not? Makes it all a little more interesting. WSRC 2007 TECHNICAL RULEBOOK PROPOSAL I can help with carsets etc Keep it the same Works for other leagues, keeps interest high too, are you faster than Alonso around Monza for example Would be good to use new tracks, but if Matts pc cant handle it, theres your answer. Keep qual the same as this year, your system is good, and well thought out, but it is easier to just stick to what we know. 30% is a good number Thats what the vwc do, and it works very well. Keep the same Perhaps individual physics for each team, would put more emphasis behind testing and more people would feel compelled to do it.
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Post by Senna on Dec 4, 2006 10:48:15 GMT -5
OK guys, I've been discussing with Viper the future of the WSRC... he asked me if I would accept to be one of the race admins next season (together with Matt), since he's running out of time to do his admin duties. So my answer was "Yes, but it depends of how the next season will be." If we could bring more drivers, adjust and confirm our rules for 2007, spice the things up to keep the series alive, I can accept the proposal. I don't want to see WSRC die too, but if it happens, I have to look for other options with rFactor. OFC some of our decisions regarding the 2007 season and admin duties depends of Viper, Matt and Saturdaynight. So we have to wait for them to join the discussion and we can meet an agreement to kick-off the 2007 pre-season. And about rFactor... during my chat with Viper, I commented that since the things were almost dead here in the forums, I was also looking for options in rFactor. And he said that he doesnt mind if we change the series to rFactor, he's only worried because some guys has a preference for tintops in rFactor, instead of open wheelers/GP2/ CTDP F1 Mods. If we agree to move to rFactor, we can solve this by offering to the drivers two championships - one with a tintop mod such as meganes/porsches and other with GP2 or CTDP F1 mod to keep the main reason why we are here in WSRC. The tintop series could help us in recruiting more drivers to our series. Admin duties and rules, well, I'd like to discuss them only if we agree with the move. Otherwise we can stick to GP4 and finalise our 2007 rules, but we need more drivers. OK people, nuff said. Lets start to work with the 2007 rules, cars and recruit more drivers to the series. We have to ask them if they want to race a GP4 or rFactor championship. @dave: Engines, I'm inclinated to accept the V10's too. But if u want to know if u are faster than alonso at Monza like u said, then the V8's are worth a try. We need to make a voting poll here again. Tyres, well. If we keep only bridgies or allow free choice between bridgies/michelin, bridgies/dunlop or bridgies/goodyear, I'm fine with both options. We just need to choose the second tyre manufacturer, so we have another voting poll here. About new tracks, some of the new tracks are working perfectly here, we could give a try. I'm pretty sure that we can help matt to solve his trackset issues, but if we can't, well, we can stick to default tracks. And 32BOBO32 from gpg forums is working in some great Bahrain and Istanbul track conversions for GP4. So we have a third voting poll here to decide the race calendar. Seems that 30% is a common agreement, so we are likely to race 30% distance in 2007.
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Post by zeppelin101 on Dec 5, 2006 6:57:36 GMT -5
If you switch to rF, your best option for OW is probably F3, while using something like the Meganes or something a bit meatier in a tintop.
I'd go with something like a Zonda / Protoracers. Both are easy to drive, and you'd have to set limits on aids. For tintops, you can probably get rid of absolutely everything minus low TC and auto clutch. For OW, perhaps have low tc and low abs with auto clutch. F3's are very low on power, and incredibly easy to drive, so I should think low TC would be more than enough
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